1 00:00:23,210 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:26,550 hello from the San Francisco Bay Area 3 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:29,890 here in California Richard Saunders with 4 00:00:34,799 --> 00:00:32,410 you once again slightly jet-lagged but 5 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:34,809 you know that's the way it goes and 6 00:00:39,390 --> 00:00:36,489 looking forward to this week's episode 7 00:00:42,740 --> 00:00:39,400 of the skeptic zone now I'm in 8 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:42,750 California have a little rest a little 9 00:00:48,329 --> 00:00:45,730 regrouping in my mind I guess you could 10 00:00:51,139 --> 00:00:48,339 say to help me get over jet lag before I 11 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:51,149 head down to New Orleans for the 12 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:53,530 committee for skeptical inquiry 13 00:01:00,799 --> 00:00:56,110 convention which is happening in a few 14 00:01:04,649 --> 00:01:00,809 days I'm very excited about that well I 15 00:01:07,380 --> 00:01:04,659 look around San Francisco see the sea 16 00:01:10,859 --> 00:01:07,390 lions maybe go across the golden gate 17 00:01:14,070 --> 00:01:10,869 bridge walk up market street take a 18 00:01:15,630 --> 00:01:14,080 ferry wave at Alcatraz all the sort of 19 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:15,640 things you do in when you're in San 20 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:19,210 Francisco well I'm doing that I thought 21 00:01:24,359 --> 00:01:21,490 you might like to have a skeptic zone 22 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:24,369 why not it's that time of the week you 23 00:01:28,890 --> 00:01:27,310 should have one and this week's skeptics 24 00:01:32,490 --> 00:01:28,900 own we're going to have a little tease 25 00:01:37,020 --> 00:01:32,500 about skip to camp Melbourne which just 26 00:01:39,930 --> 00:01:37,030 wrapped up and by all tweets and reports 27 00:01:41,820 --> 00:01:39,940 it's been a great success it really did 28 00:01:46,950 --> 00:01:41,830 just wrap up a few hours ago in fact 29 00:01:49,530 --> 00:01:46,960 while I was asleep in my jet lag state 30 00:01:52,649 --> 00:01:49,540 of halfway calf sleep skepta camp 31 00:01:55,820 --> 00:01:52,659 wrapped up and Maynard good on him he 32 00:01:58,620 --> 00:01:55,830 sent me through a few early files and 33 00:02:01,350 --> 00:01:58,630 i'll be playing those in a moment just a 34 00:02:04,850 --> 00:02:01,360 tease a taste a hint of skeptic appt 35 00:02:07,740 --> 00:02:04,860 melbourne much more next week of course 36 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:07,750 after that we have an interview that I 37 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:10,239 did more of a friendly chat really with 38 00:02:15,869 --> 00:02:13,060 ian bryce from australian skeptics ian 39 00:02:20,369 --> 00:02:15,879 Bryce is our challenge coordinator for 40 00:02:22,770 --> 00:02:20,379 the $100,000 prize and is also our chief 41 00:02:26,369 --> 00:02:22,780 investigator so and somebody comes with 42 00:02:28,730 --> 00:02:26,379 a strange claim he's a usually the man 43 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:28,740 to check it out and see what's what he's 44 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:32,740 an engineer he has degrees in 45 00:02:36,510 --> 00:02:34,210 engineering he is a 46 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:36,520 rocket scientist he really is which is 47 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:38,290 interesting when you say it's not rocket 48 00:02:43,170 --> 00:02:39,730 science he knows exactly what you're 49 00:02:47,490 --> 00:02:43,180 talking about so Ian and I and six dogs 50 00:02:49,950 --> 00:02:47,500 you understand why I sit down in a very 51 00:02:54,870 --> 00:02:49,960 nice Park in a very lovely day in Sydney 52 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:54,880 and discuss free energy and ions and 53 00:03:00,510 --> 00:02:58,090 various challenges and claims to 54 00:03:02,790 --> 00:03:00,520 Australian skeptics over the years and 55 00:03:04,290 --> 00:03:02,800 after that we have a clip from Fox 56 00:03:06,660 --> 00:03:04,300 television here in Australia done a 57 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:06,670 number of years ago where they were 58 00:03:12,270 --> 00:03:11,050 running a m night shyamalan festival and 59 00:03:14,370 --> 00:03:12,280 thought it would be interesting to ask 60 00:03:17,580 --> 00:03:14,380 some people about some of these movies I 61 00:03:19,830 --> 00:03:17,590 am including me so they asked a 62 00:03:22,620 --> 00:03:19,840 clairvoyant medium a medium clairvoyant 63 00:03:28,050 --> 00:03:22,630 however you want to say it a UFO expert 64 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:28,060 and at me now keep this in the back of 65 00:03:33,210 --> 00:03:30,610 your mind when they come to talk to the 66 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:33,220 clairvoyant roof Phillips she makes this 67 00:03:40,710 --> 00:03:37,690 wonderful classic statement for those 68 00:03:44,910 --> 00:03:40,720 who believe no proof is necessary for 69 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:44,920 those who don't know proof is enough to 70 00:03:51,510 --> 00:03:48,970 which I say yeah it's an old chestnut 71 00:03:54,630 --> 00:03:51,520 and it's not true but the whoo crowd 72 00:03:58,590 --> 00:03:54,640 loved to to say that and every 73 00:04:00,540 --> 00:03:58,600 opportunity it seems of course for those 74 00:04:02,790 --> 00:04:00,550 who believe no proof is necessary well 75 00:04:04,980 --> 00:04:02,800 yes that's true they don't they don't 76 00:04:07,260 --> 00:04:04,990 need proof to believe well maybe maybe 77 00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:07,270 they did initially maybe something that 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:09,040 they considered proof initially got them 79 00:04:14,850 --> 00:04:11,410 going but to say for those who don't 80 00:04:17,099 --> 00:04:14,860 believe no proof is enough what she's 81 00:04:22,050 --> 00:04:17,109 really talking about there are other 82 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:22,060 believers not skeptics tried explaining 83 00:04:28,170 --> 00:04:26,290 that to the end of round anyway that 84 00:04:29,910 --> 00:04:28,180 whole series of interviews you'll hear 85 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:29,920 later on in the show they were all 86 00:04:34,980 --> 00:04:32,530 filmed in a graveyard which I found 87 00:04:36,750 --> 00:04:34,990 quite interesting one after the other we 88 00:04:40,710 --> 00:04:36,760 never saw the other people being 89 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:40,720 involved and when I began to talk with 90 00:04:45,710 --> 00:04:43,330 the young lady interviewing me and we 91 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:45,720 were strolling through the graveyard 92 00:04:51,149 --> 00:04:47,860 before the cameras were rolling 93 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:51,159 said ask me would you ever sleep here 94 00:04:55,589 --> 00:04:52,930 you have a picture tent and sleep in 95 00:04:58,290 --> 00:04:55,599 this graveyard and I said yes sure I 96 00:05:00,300 --> 00:04:58,300 mean it's sort of an odd location it's 97 00:05:03,959 --> 00:05:00,310 in the middle of a suburb there there's 98 00:05:06,149 --> 00:05:03,969 a busy road nearby and she thought that 99 00:05:08,730 --> 00:05:06,159 was an interesting answer because the 100 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:08,740 medium certainly wouldn't and she said 101 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:11,710 that she wouldn't but there you go cheap 102 00:05:17,249 --> 00:05:15,550 red folks sleep in a graveyard okay now 103 00:05:19,770 --> 00:05:17,259 before we get stuck into the skeptic 104 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:19,780 zone just a reminder of the world sadly 105 00:05:29,070 --> 00:05:24,930 came to an end on the 21st of October um 106 00:05:32,129 --> 00:05:29,080 hang on no it didn't now it didn't no it 107 00:05:35,939 --> 00:05:32,139 didn't he has held camping and his bunch 108 00:05:39,029 --> 00:05:35,949 of merry men hmm promised the earth 109 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:39,039 would end of course in May and again 110 00:05:47,339 --> 00:05:43,120 yesterday the 21st of October well oddly 111 00:05:51,659 --> 00:05:47,349 enough on the evening in the night of 112 00:05:54,149 --> 00:05:51,669 the 20th of October I felt two 113 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:54,159 earthquakes in the Bay Area one of them 114 00:05:58,350 --> 00:05:56,770 actually bumped me out of bed when I was 115 00:06:02,399 --> 00:05:58,360 trying to get to sleep war in fact i was 116 00:06:05,339 --> 00:06:02,409 asleep after the long flight so there 117 00:06:09,209 --> 00:06:05,349 you go a couple of bumps couple of 118 00:06:12,629 --> 00:06:09,219 earthquakes but not enough to tear the 119 00:06:17,159 --> 00:06:12,639 world apart I do know one thing this 120 00:06:18,929 --> 00:06:17,169 won't stop the next bunch of fun fun fun 121 00:06:22,379 --> 00:06:18,939 people telling you that the world was 122 00:06:24,629 --> 00:06:22,389 coming to an end and you'll see the 123 00:06:27,059 --> 00:06:24,639 media have will have not learned 124 00:06:29,010 --> 00:06:27,069 anything from the two failed attempts or 125 00:06:32,909 --> 00:06:29,020 predictions this year because next year 126 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:32,919 is 2012 and the end of the world again 127 00:06:39,629 --> 00:06:37,810 oh well okay enough about that it's a 128 00:06:41,969 --> 00:06:39,639 beautiful day here in the San Francisco 129 00:06:44,490 --> 00:06:41,979 Bay Area I think I better finish 130 00:06:47,969 --> 00:06:44,500 producing and uploading the skeptics and 131 00:06:52,260 --> 00:06:47,979 so I can get out there and talk to the 132 00:06:55,050 --> 00:06:52,270 sea lions so why I now race upstairs get 133 00:07:07,760 --> 00:06:55,060 my cup of American coffee I'll let you 134 00:07:12,629 --> 00:07:10,830 I'm here in the flight lounge at sydney 135 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:12,639 airport where I am with dr. H i hi dr. 136 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:15,610 achi hai may not the big adventure has 137 00:07:21,930 --> 00:07:18,970 begun it's known as dr. H II over 138 00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:21,940 Melbourne I'm too busy eating on the 139 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:23,710 food in the Virgin lounge at the moment 140 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:25,449 and family just had a Twitter from 141 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:27,070 someone that suggested that cargo pants 142 00:07:29,340 --> 00:07:28,120 are the best thing to wear on a plane 143 00:07:31,890 --> 00:07:29,350 because you can fit lots of food in them 144 00:07:33,719 --> 00:07:31,900 but i have already secreted spaghetti 145 00:07:35,909 --> 00:07:33,729 around my body that we can snack on 146 00:07:36,810 --> 00:07:35,919 during the flight dr. Reggie well you 147 00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:36,820 know what I don't know that we're going 148 00:07:41,460 --> 00:07:38,800 to need to do that anymore because we're 149 00:07:43,140 --> 00:07:41,470 delayed by about Orrin in an hour we 150 00:07:44,430 --> 00:07:43,150 will be delayed by now so we're just 151 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:44,440 going to shove food in our mouths as 152 00:07:47,310 --> 00:07:46,300 much as we can before you fly and let me 153 00:07:49,890 --> 00:07:47,320 tell you we've done a lot of damage to 154 00:07:52,350 --> 00:07:49,900 the top shelf as well of the bars all 155 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:52,360 the clear liquids are gone they have yes 156 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:55,090 I already had to replace him twice now 157 00:07:57,659 --> 00:07:56,289 what are we looking forward to this week 158 00:07:59,640 --> 00:07:57,669 of skipped account melbourne i went to 159 00:08:01,050 --> 00:07:59,650 skip the camp in sydney and had a great 160 00:08:02,999 --> 00:08:01,060 time there that day in what way do you 161 00:08:04,589 --> 00:08:03,009 think it'll be different well i didn't 162 00:08:07,379 --> 00:08:04,599 go to the entire skip to camp in sydney 163 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:07,389 i only made it to half a day so i think 164 00:08:12,540 --> 00:08:10,120 this one was booked up much quicker in 165 00:08:14,430 --> 00:08:12,550 fact the speaker slots were filled a few 166 00:08:17,310 --> 00:08:14,440 weeks ago whereas in sydney they still 167 00:08:18,629 --> 00:08:17,320 had a few spots left on the day so I 168 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:18,639 think this one's building on the 169 00:08:22,409 --> 00:08:20,289 popularity of the Sydney one in a way 170 00:08:24,750 --> 00:08:22,419 and yeah I think it's going to be really 171 00:08:26,490 --> 00:08:24,760 fun I'm hoping for a moment where 172 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:26,500 someone gets up to give a talk goes 173 00:08:30,089 --> 00:08:28,510 batshit crazy and has to be dragged for 174 00:08:31,589 --> 00:08:30,099 the venue I've always wanted to go to 175 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:31,599 one of those talks and I've never been 176 00:08:38,279 --> 00:08:34,770 to one I've been to one of those tours 177 00:08:39,990 --> 00:08:38,289 can you talk about it or not I can talk 178 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:40,000 about it what what was the topic and how 179 00:08:43,230 --> 00:08:41,409 did they go actually no it was the 180 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:43,240 science talk in fact it was in the 181 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:45,580 States and it was during a dinner and 182 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:47,380 there was a discussion and a guy threw 183 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:50,170 down his chair across the room stormed 184 00:08:53,579 --> 00:08:51,130 out and never came back to the 185 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:53,589 conference Wow was it an argue over 186 00:08:58,620 --> 00:08:56,560 argument of a scientific method it was 187 00:09:00,360 --> 00:08:58,630 an argument over results basically he 188 00:09:01,949 --> 00:09:00,370 disagreed with the way the people had 189 00:09:04,110 --> 00:09:01,959 done their experiments and didn't agree 190 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:04,120 with their results and so it just lost 191 00:09:07,269 --> 00:09:05,890 it I've never seen anything like it 192 00:09:08,769 --> 00:09:07,279 before 193 00:09:10,119 --> 00:09:08,779 Wow so maybe we'll see a bit of that 194 00:09:11,619 --> 00:09:10,129 tomorrow amber looking forward to that 195 00:09:13,030 --> 00:09:11,629 and I'm always looking forward to seeing 196 00:09:14,410 --> 00:09:13,040 what the Melbourne side of skeptics is 197 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:14,420 and what sort of people they like the 198 00:09:19,090 --> 00:09:15,529 young skeptics will be there for 199 00:09:20,350 --> 00:09:19,100 Melbourne I think so I hope so the young 200 00:09:22,030 --> 00:09:20,360 historian skeptics they should be there 201 00:09:27,069 --> 00:09:22,040 yeah and as always we'll be doing the 202 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:27,079 neckbeard count oh right you know the 203 00:09:31,059 --> 00:09:28,610 young Australian skeptics just got a big 204 00:09:32,889 --> 00:09:31,069 banner made manner that says no be no 205 00:09:34,179 --> 00:09:32,899 beards or something to do with no beards 206 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:34,189 like you don't have to have a beard to 207 00:09:37,449 --> 00:09:36,110 be in skepticism so I don't know how 208 00:09:39,939 --> 00:09:37,459 many independent are you talking about 209 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:39,949 the the Jewish slang for someone who is 210 00:09:44,350 --> 00:09:42,110 actually gay and they take a girl with 211 00:09:46,749 --> 00:09:44,360 them or something like that that's 212 00:09:48,220 --> 00:09:46,759 another term for beard no I wasn't 213 00:09:50,110 --> 00:09:48,230 talking about that i was talking about 214 00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:50,120 facial hair ok i thought there might be 215 00:09:55,299 --> 00:09:51,920 a yiddish thing where they don't know 216 00:09:57,850 --> 00:09:55,309 anything except for example like I'm 217 00:09:59,049 --> 00:09:57,860 going along and so no one annoys you cuz 218 00:10:00,730 --> 00:09:59,059 you're a very attractive girl on the 219 00:10:02,049 --> 00:10:00,740 flight I'm your beard just see people 220 00:10:04,389 --> 00:10:02,059 would think i'm with you and the guys 221 00:10:05,949 --> 00:10:04,399 won't try and buy you drinks the only 222 00:10:07,929 --> 00:10:05,959 trouble is I'm at the pointy end of the 223 00:10:10,269 --> 00:10:07,939 plane and you're not how's it gonna work 224 00:10:12,309 --> 00:10:10,279 yeah I tried to book online and 225 00:10:15,610 --> 00:10:12,319 apparently my kind is not welcome 226 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:15,620 anywhere forward of Rho 127 yeah that's 227 00:10:20,949 --> 00:10:16,970 right I thought you could sit next to me 228 00:10:22,119 --> 00:10:20,959 but I was mistaken by the time we do get 229 00:10:24,009 --> 00:10:22,129 to Melbourne given their way too late 230 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:24,019 already we'll be waiting for ages for 231 00:10:27,189 --> 00:10:25,910 you to get out of the plane well that's 232 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:27,199 the story we've got a lot of drinkin to 233 00:10:30,129 --> 00:10:28,490 do before we get to Melbourne so watch 234 00:10:32,290 --> 00:10:30,139 out and I'm going to try and do a DJ 235 00:10:34,119 --> 00:10:32,300 spot at the OMG nightclub just because I 236 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:34,129 would always odd always like to put on 237 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:36,050 that resume that i played it oh my god 238 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:37,730 do you know what may not I've been 239 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:39,889 passed that oh my god club several times 240 00:10:44,470 --> 00:10:41,809 it's in the center of Melbourne it looks 241 00:10:47,650 --> 00:10:44,480 amazing it looks very cool I think it's 242 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:47,660 for hipsters I don't know so I love to 243 00:10:51,429 --> 00:10:49,370 hear about what it's like when you DJ 244 00:10:55,059 --> 00:10:51,439 there well I've played it a couple of 245 00:10:59,679 --> 00:10:55,069 WTF night clubs but never know mg what 246 00:11:01,179 --> 00:10:59,689 about an RO FL or an LOL club maybe give 247 00:11:03,249 --> 00:11:01,189 me put your pilot's cap on because 248 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:03,259 you're flying oh but there's been less 249 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:05,689 than eight hours between the drink and 250 00:11:09,610 --> 00:11:07,490 then what is it the bottle in the 251 00:11:11,739 --> 00:11:09,620 throttle so I don't think I'm allowed to 252 00:11:12,780 --> 00:11:11,749 fly what you do on your private times 253 00:11:15,540 --> 00:11:12,790 then am I wrote this 254 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:15,550 okay fair enough I was a model that's 255 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:18,130 the saying you have to have more than 256 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:19,390 eight hours between the throttle and the 257 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:21,850 bottle now what you said they night hmm 258 00:11:43,830 --> 00:11:41,260 isn't and there you are you see through 259 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:43,840 the magic of the internet and recordings 260 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:46,090 and mp3s and everything I'm suddenly 261 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:50,890 back in Sydney on a glorious absolutely 262 00:11:56,190 --> 00:11:54,730 glorious art Tuesday afternoon walking 263 00:11:58,470 --> 00:11:56,200 in the park with my good friend Ian 264 00:12:02,940 --> 00:11:58,480 bryce from Australian skeptics and hello 265 00:12:06,690 --> 00:12:02,950 and six dogs and six dogs there they go 266 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:06,700 running off after a ball and they're all 267 00:12:11,010 --> 00:12:08,170 lovely they're all like poodles and 268 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:11,020 little Terriers and there's even a blind 269 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:13,690 whiny go on the lead and you're saying 270 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:15,370 you're the seeing eye person today I'm 271 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:17,680 the seeing eye person guiding the blind 272 00:12:21,630 --> 00:12:20,050 dog yes I know this is my ringtone folks 273 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:21,640 on my phone which is just ringing you 274 00:12:32,820 --> 00:12:25,330 might recognize the truth I better take 275 00:12:35,970 --> 00:12:32,830 that call hello okay we're back yes that 276 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:35,980 phone call was who's from Iran circuit 277 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:39,550 how about that pure coincidence anyway 278 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:42,010 so here we are where are we exactly even 279 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:44,320 in Sydney oh well we're in King George's 280 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:47,050 Park in roselle in a Sydney beautiful 281 00:12:50,850 --> 00:12:49,330 pack by the sea and at the moment 282 00:12:53,580 --> 00:12:50,860 there's Richard and I which you're 283 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:53,590 acting like two nuclei ever have a say 284 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:55,480 an oxygen atom and we've got six dogs 285 00:12:59,720 --> 00:12:57,010 orbiting around us like a swarm of 286 00:13:02,130 --> 00:12:59,730 electrons no that's it one way to say it 287 00:13:04,650 --> 00:13:02,140 now when you say by the sea of course 288 00:13:07,170 --> 00:13:04,660 it's by the harbor which goes into the 289 00:13:10,350 --> 00:13:07,180 sea the ocean not the ocean but um part 290 00:13:12,630 --> 00:13:10,360 of the vast harbour network i encode the 291 00:13:14,850 --> 00:13:12,640 pine cove yeah old steel structured 292 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:14,860 truss bridge and we've got a new curve 293 00:13:19,860 --> 00:13:17,140 concrete bridge about every 50 years 294 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:19,870 they build a new bridge yes using 295 00:13:23,790 --> 00:13:21,970 different technologies so what do what 296 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:23,800 we're going to do in a moment is the 297 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:26,050 dogs are actually all 298 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:27,550 sitting under a chair for some reason 299 00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:30,370 must be the shade it's very sunny I'm 300 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:32,589 going to find a nice sunny shady spot 301 00:13:34,889 --> 00:13:33,790 should say with you Ian we're going to 302 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:34,899 sit down we're gonna have a good chat 303 00:13:41,430 --> 00:13:37,360 about your investigations over the years 304 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:41,440 on for Australian skeptics and also you 305 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:45,370 can educate me all about ions ions ions 306 00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:48,850 because the latest claim by these people 307 00:13:53,819 --> 00:13:50,320 who are making wristbands and all sorts 308 00:13:55,769 --> 00:13:53,829 of magic things is the ions the negative 309 00:13:58,079 --> 00:13:55,779 ions they produce will magically fix 310 00:14:00,269 --> 00:13:58,089 your blood flow and stamina and 311 00:14:03,269 --> 00:14:00,279 well-being and zest have you thought I 312 00:14:06,690 --> 00:14:03,279 wonder zest zest exists which ions or 313 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:06,700 its its lasers or its titanium or 314 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:09,250 anything like that I noticed that the as 315 00:14:13,889 --> 00:14:11,529 regards the basement the woowoo 316 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:13,899 materials it used to be mud run on 317 00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:15,730 bottom of a Swiss lake and then five 318 00:14:25,310 --> 00:14:18,720 years later Along Came Himalayan crisp 319 00:14:27,540 --> 00:14:25,320 crystal salts and now it's charcoal 320 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:27,550 charcoal yes I forget which country the 321 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:30,180 choco your Japanese charcoal that's it 322 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:32,649 by all these treatments and foods with 323 00:14:36,810 --> 00:14:34,510 Japanese charcoal and members than just 324 00:14:38,910 --> 00:14:36,820 having been just what we need so I guess 325 00:14:41,190 --> 00:14:38,920 we'll just oh he comes the other dog now 326 00:14:43,170 --> 00:14:41,200 be running up like a little separate 327 00:14:46,650 --> 00:14:43,180 like a little Terry of you honey hold a 328 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:46,660 dog legs behind it yeah and we will 329 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:51,910 continue our discussion in a moment what 330 00:14:58,970 --> 00:14:54,310 a wonderful spot we have found here 331 00:15:01,260 --> 00:14:58,980 arion nestled amongst some old disused 332 00:15:04,019 --> 00:15:01,270 accommodation because this area used to 333 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:04,029 be a big mental hospital of course yes 334 00:15:09,689 --> 00:15:06,790 indeed Kevin tuck that was back in the 335 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:09,699 days when they believed that mental 336 00:15:14,550 --> 00:15:12,310 patients could benefit from the most 337 00:15:16,889 --> 00:15:14,560 luxurious surroundings in the way of 338 00:15:19,410 --> 00:15:16,899 green grass and trees and gardens and 339 00:15:22,889 --> 00:15:19,420 water views it was very peaceful he 340 00:15:26,819 --> 00:15:22,899 apart from six dogs or IOC yo what's 341 00:15:28,380 --> 00:15:26,829 this it's a little portable water thing 342 00:15:30,509 --> 00:15:28,390 for the ball they don't recalling we 343 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:30,519 stopped it's a portable dog you folded 344 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:32,680 up and undo it and then fill it up with 345 00:15:37,650 --> 00:15:35,410 water we throw the ball around two so 346 00:15:39,570 --> 00:15:37,660 they get it bit of exercise those that 347 00:15:41,780 --> 00:15:39,580 want it the blind one can have a 348 00:15:43,890 --> 00:15:41,790 shuffle around in the leaves yeah yeah 349 00:15:45,660 --> 00:15:43,900 you can probably hear the dogs are 350 00:15:48,410 --> 00:15:45,670 they're all around us folks are crumbs 351 00:15:50,940 --> 00:15:48,420 hello what's your name any that's Benny 352 00:15:54,450 --> 00:15:50,950 Daisy I think they want to eat the 353 00:15:58,140 --> 00:15:54,460 microphone yes now as we have our 354 00:16:00,510 --> 00:15:58,150 audience of dogs here Ian you baby now 355 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:00,520 the balls were that that one there yeah 356 00:16:05,370 --> 00:16:03,610 I it likes to lie down in order well 357 00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:05,380 eyes down in the dog bolt is promptly 358 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:07,120 flattened a flexible dog bowl yes is 359 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:09,370 billboard yes Oh B&N put the ball in the 360 00:16:16,110 --> 00:16:12,510 dog bowl that was highly successful 361 00:16:18,270 --> 00:16:16,120 exercise that was the other one still 362 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:18,280 drinking out of its aura yes there's a 363 00:16:22,890 --> 00:16:21,370 bit learner we've you've been involved i 364 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:22,900 should say with the australian skeptics 365 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:25,450 right almost from the beginning yes i'm 366 00:16:29,550 --> 00:16:27,250 very eating very long time from since 367 00:16:32,190 --> 00:16:29,560 1980 so you've seen them all you've seen 368 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:32,200 them all come and go and recently i 369 00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:34,180 noticed in the news there was something 370 00:16:39,420 --> 00:16:36,940 about one of something you investigated 371 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:39,430 many years ago which was peter brock the 372 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:41,290 famous racing car driver who died a 373 00:16:47,550 --> 00:16:45,310 number of years ago he had a fuel magic 374 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:47,560 fuel polarizer didn't he yes a little 375 00:16:52,890 --> 00:16:50,010 device equipped on your fuel line and 376 00:16:55,790 --> 00:16:52,900 did things to your car which would make 377 00:16:58,770 --> 00:16:55,800 it win races and since he was then he 378 00:17:01,950 --> 00:16:58,780 founded a group called Holden special 379 00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:01,960 vehicles which took Holden's racing cars 380 00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:04,150 of Holden's production cars and modified 381 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:06,880 them into racing cast and he was a very 382 00:17:14,070 --> 00:17:10,870 successful driver and operator of that 383 00:17:16,550 --> 00:17:14,080 company with any came into woo woo he 384 00:17:18,510 --> 00:17:16,560 did he did I in fact I've got a rare 385 00:17:21,410 --> 00:17:18,520 documentary at home somewhere in my 386 00:17:25,020 --> 00:17:21,420 archives of him and other people all 387 00:17:28,199 --> 00:17:25,030 spouting just the most awful new-age 388 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:28,209 tripe it so it's very sad in a way when 389 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:30,490 respectable people fall for this and 390 00:17:35,340 --> 00:17:32,410 completely believe it themselves i guess 391 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:35,350 but anyway there have been many of these 392 00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,330 polarisers come and go over your time 393 00:17:41,919 --> 00:17:40,640 yes indeed Brock's was probably the 394 00:17:43,450 --> 00:17:41,929 first but there were many imitators 395 00:17:45,940 --> 00:17:43,460 since then after they realized there was 396 00:17:48,460 --> 00:17:45,950 a dollar to be made from it these are 397 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:48,470 these are little devices with really no 398 00:17:52,389 --> 00:17:50,090 moving parts or anything of significance 399 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:52,399 that simply clip around the fuel line in 400 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:54,710 the car and the claim is that they will 401 00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:58,250 somehow energize the petrol or make it 402 00:18:00,730 --> 00:17:59,360 more efficient or something like that 403 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:00,740 yes they all refer to something like 404 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:02,690 ions or magnets or crystals or 405 00:18:07,930 --> 00:18:05,330 vibrations or energy or yeah anything 406 00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:07,940 like that but and usually they they 407 00:18:14,409 --> 00:18:12,110 usually consists of a some items potted 408 00:18:17,889 --> 00:18:14,419 into araldite which is like the resin 409 00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:17,899 that sets had we the aim being that if 410 00:18:21,789 --> 00:18:20,240 the the customer can't very easily 411 00:18:24,340 --> 00:18:21,799 opened up and discover there's nothing 412 00:18:26,620 --> 00:18:24,350 in there except if your trinkets you've 413 00:18:28,539 --> 00:18:26,630 opened them up oh yes the heck so does 414 00:18:30,340 --> 00:18:28,549 wonders but the problem is you have to 415 00:18:32,259 --> 00:18:30,350 buy one to do that you hate giving them 416 00:18:34,450 --> 00:18:32,269 money well this sort of leads us back 417 00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:34,460 onto the topic which is interesting at 418 00:18:38,620 --> 00:18:36,559 the moment which I would certainly 419 00:18:40,090 --> 00:18:38,630 showing my ignorance like to know more 420 00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:40,100 about we're hearing a lot of things 421 00:18:47,580 --> 00:18:43,760 recently about products that claim to 422 00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:47,590 help you using positive or negative ions 423 00:18:52,330 --> 00:18:50,720 the latest one being of course the NRG 424 00:18:55,539 --> 00:18:52,340 band which our listeners will know was 425 00:18:57,039 --> 00:18:55,549 stopped by skeptical activism stop being 426 00:19:00,039 --> 00:18:57,049 sold because it was just basically a 427 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:00,049 crock but it was yet another one of 428 00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:01,970 these things that says buy our product 429 00:19:07,210 --> 00:19:04,880 and benefit from the negative ions that 430 00:19:09,970 --> 00:19:07,220 this thing produces Ian for my benefit 431 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:09,980 for my benefit what are ireland's why 432 00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:11,809 are they negative or positive and what 433 00:19:17,860 --> 00:19:14,480 do they do and how do they work well an 434 00:19:19,539 --> 00:19:17,870 iron is simply an atom or molecule that 435 00:19:23,740 --> 00:19:19,549 has acquired a positive or negative 436 00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:23,750 charge so let's take a simple example an 437 00:19:32,460 --> 00:19:28,240 oxygen molecule 02 has two nuclei and 438 00:19:38,590 --> 00:19:32,470 eight electrons each to make 16 439 00:19:41,409 --> 00:19:38,600 electrons and the it gets an extra 440 00:19:44,529 --> 00:19:41,419 electron it gets a negative charge at 17 441 00:19:46,779 --> 00:19:44,539 electrons or revision electrons it gets 442 00:19:50,169 --> 00:19:46,789 a positive charge and that's 15 443 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:50,179 electrons and it they do very little 444 00:19:55,090 --> 00:19:52,970 hey they were unstable there waiting to 445 00:19:57,730 --> 00:19:55,100 combine to try the gain or lose an 446 00:20:00,700 --> 00:19:57,740 electron said so they'll quickly convert 447 00:20:02,049 --> 00:20:00,710 back to oxygen give them the chance and 448 00:20:03,789 --> 00:20:02,059 so and so they don't they're not around 449 00:20:06,129 --> 00:20:03,799 to very long there's very few of them in 450 00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,139 the air around us yeah and they do very 451 00:20:11,139 --> 00:20:08,240 little anyway there are more dogs around 452 00:20:13,450 --> 00:20:11,149 us tonight yes but they are a bit 453 00:20:16,450 --> 00:20:13,460 reactive that having an extra electron 454 00:20:17,619 --> 00:20:16,460 or losing an electron and having a 455 00:20:19,149 --> 00:20:17,629 charge makes them a little bit more 456 00:20:21,820 --> 00:20:19,159 reactive so they will do some things 457 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:21,830 that normal molecules won't but they're 458 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:23,809 not harmful to human health or anything 459 00:20:27,940 --> 00:20:26,450 like that and therefore by default if 460 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:27,950 they're not harmful to human up there 461 00:20:32,619 --> 00:20:29,809 probably not no benefit either right 462 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:32,629 exactly yes that's right there are other 463 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:34,490 variations around like there's ozone 464 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:37,580 which is 0 3 molecules that they're the 465 00:20:43,629 --> 00:20:39,369 some years there the flavor of your 466 00:20:45,310 --> 00:20:43,639 various blue remedies right right right 467 00:20:47,499 --> 00:20:45,320 it's just another variation on the 468 00:20:50,169 --> 00:20:47,509 things around us so zone is a little a 469 00:20:53,049 --> 00:20:50,179 little bit it's irritating and has a 470 00:20:54,460 --> 00:20:53,059 smell like for example when if you had 471 00:20:58,060 --> 00:20:54,470 an electrical discharge in your fuse box 472 00:21:00,999 --> 00:20:58,070 you probably have smelled ozone yes but 473 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:01,009 again we we talk about our ozone or ions 474 00:21:06,190 --> 00:21:02,570 positive or negative or whatever it is 475 00:21:09,489 --> 00:21:06,200 and to me it seems like a case of some 476 00:21:11,859 --> 00:21:09,499 market has simply seen a word like I on 477 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:11,869 knowing that the general population me 478 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:13,730 included doesn't have a good working 479 00:21:19,210 --> 00:21:15,529 understanding of many of these things 480 00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,220 and can you simply say buy our product 481 00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,440 it contains x rays that might be next 482 00:21:25,509 --> 00:21:23,600 who knows yes and did you know that the 483 00:21:27,369 --> 00:21:25,519 magical quality of x-rays your doctors 484 00:21:29,529 --> 00:21:27,379 don't want you to know about is and 485 00:21:31,899 --> 00:21:29,539 whatever their claim is I might have 486 00:21:35,499 --> 00:21:31,909 given somebody an idea yeah that's right 487 00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:35,509 yes yes the you've got to be able to 488 00:21:39,820 --> 00:21:37,070 make it into a verb got to be able to 489 00:21:42,730 --> 00:21:39,830 ionize it so because they can sell you a 490 00:21:45,340 --> 00:21:42,740 device which ionizes things oh that the 491 00:21:47,139 --> 00:21:45,350 fuel pole another one is polarizer yes 492 00:21:49,779 --> 00:21:47,149 you buy this device which polarizes your 493 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:49,789 fuel or ionizers your fuel or activates 494 00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:52,490 your fuel or anything like that or 495 00:21:56,889 --> 00:21:54,470 magnetizes your feels hopefully it's got 496 00:21:59,619 --> 00:21:56,899 a nicety in it which makes it into verb 497 00:22:02,409 --> 00:21:59,629 haha we got easier to sell a device then 498 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,419 the other the other scam that comes and 499 00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:04,960 goes is the 500 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:09,200 Elka Elka Liza's for water change the pH 501 00:22:14,249 --> 00:22:11,330 the pH measures the balance between acid 502 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:14,259 and alkali in your water yeah and 503 00:22:22,570 --> 00:22:17,450 neutral water has a pH of 7 with equal 504 00:22:25,239 --> 00:22:22,580 number of o.h minus and h3o plus ions if 505 00:22:27,220 --> 00:22:25,249 you like so acidity and alkalinity are a 506 00:22:30,340 --> 00:22:27,230 measure of the ions in water is back to 507 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:30,350 ions and you can buy devices for a 508 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:31,730 thousand dollars that you put the tap 509 00:22:36,489 --> 00:22:34,070 water through wow it changes the balance 510 00:22:38,259 --> 00:22:36,499 of the ions woohoo and it's came to be 511 00:22:41,649 --> 00:22:38,269 beneficial to you isn't it i'm usually 512 00:22:43,389 --> 00:22:41,659 they invent some fake university reports 513 00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:43,399 to put on their website that you could 514 00:22:46,570 --> 00:22:44,990 click on and say but I say scientific 515 00:22:49,299 --> 00:22:46,580 evidence presenting here and you click 516 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:49,309 there and some professor such and such 517 00:22:52,749 --> 00:22:51,049 from such-and-such University there's a 518 00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:52,759 paper they're being Russia most of the 519 00:22:57,070 --> 00:22:54,950 papers are simply fraudulent it made up 520 00:23:00,430 --> 00:22:57,080 to good or us they've got some dodgy 521 00:23:01,989 --> 00:23:00,440 failed scientists yeah perhaps who's 522 00:23:03,639 --> 00:23:01,999 written a paper and it hasn't been 523 00:23:06,570 --> 00:23:03,649 accepted for publication because no one 524 00:23:08,499 --> 00:23:06,580 else can understand it but 525 00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:08,509 respectability of course but they'll 526 00:23:13,930 --> 00:23:10,940 still trumpet doctor so-and-so says yes 527 00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:13,940 indeed oh the good old standard is here 528 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:16,100 we go off goes the dogs after vol the 529 00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:19,970 good old standard is this doctor says 530 00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:22,159 this works and all the other people in 531 00:23:25,419 --> 00:23:23,629 the medical profession are trying to 532 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:25,429 shut him up therefore it must work oh 533 00:23:32,009 --> 00:23:28,490 that's a conspiracy that's right that's 534 00:23:34,029 --> 00:23:32,019 a common theory indeed yes I'm just my 535 00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:34,039 attentions being distracted here because 536 00:23:38,109 --> 00:23:35,809 the little poor little blind dog is this 537 00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,119 happily walk down the hill had a look I 538 00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:39,919 look a smell I guess ins happily walk 539 00:23:44,350 --> 00:23:42,049 back and right behind us but why are you 540 00:23:46,539 --> 00:23:44,360 sure that dogs blind killing around 541 00:23:50,049 --> 00:23:46,549 rodox have with very heightened senses 542 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:50,059 of hearing and smell they might have and 543 00:23:53,259 --> 00:23:51,769 now he's back to me she walks slow and a 544 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:53,269 piece she bumps into something like a 545 00:23:57,070 --> 00:23:55,129 rocket doesn't it bumps into another dog 546 00:23:59,440 --> 00:23:57,080 absolutely I don't the others don't mind 547 00:24:01,180 --> 00:23:59,450 it when they're awake but this one 548 00:24:02,379 --> 00:24:01,190 drawback in being a blind dog at night 549 00:24:04,299 --> 00:24:02,389 when you're trying to find a bed to 550 00:24:06,369 --> 00:24:04,309 sleep in you step into a familiar bed 551 00:24:07,810 --> 00:24:06,379 and if it's already a dog asleep in the 552 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:07,820 bed and you step on another dogged and 553 00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:10,970 that dogs like to get irritated so 554 00:24:14,049 --> 00:24:12,470 that's the worst thing what's the name 555 00:24:15,250 --> 00:24:14,059 of this little blind I mean that's Saffy 556 00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:15,260 sake 557 00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:17,720 yes she's a lovely dog so you go up and 558 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:19,460 down the stairs yeah yeah that's this 559 00:24:24,490 --> 00:24:21,950 remarkable I'm wondering whether how 560 00:24:26,410 --> 00:24:24,500 high a dog can count because we've got 561 00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,420 16 stairs and when i go from down in the 562 00:24:29,860 --> 00:24:28,400 dark I just count the stairs yeah and 563 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:29,870 what's the dog coming down the stairs 564 00:24:32,590 --> 00:24:31,490 feeling every step of the way when she 565 00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,600 gets to the bottom she's still feeling 566 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:34,880 for another step so I conclude that she 567 00:24:40,510 --> 00:24:38,510 can't come over 16 haha interesting to 568 00:24:42,670 --> 00:24:40,520 build some shorter stairways and see if 569 00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:42,680 she learnt that but fairly difficult 570 00:24:48,250 --> 00:24:46,310 exercise now of course apart from your 571 00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:48,260 expertise when it comes to mechanical 572 00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:50,120 matters because you have got a degree in 573 00:24:54,550 --> 00:24:52,580 engineering I'm not wrong in physics and 574 00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,560 physics and we keep calling you 575 00:24:57,250 --> 00:24:56,000 professor but you're not proud you 576 00:24:59,050 --> 00:24:57,260 should be a professor you're not a 577 00:25:01,570 --> 00:24:59,060 professor I have lectured at university 578 00:25:03,550 --> 00:25:01,580 days but apart from that of course 579 00:25:05,910 --> 00:25:03,560 you're our official challenge 580 00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:05,920 coordinator so when people come to us 581 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:08,960 which is very rare because people don't 582 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:12,170 usually want to take our money for some 583 00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:14,450 strange reason you're the man who judges 584 00:25:17,740 --> 00:25:16,550 or does the initial consultation with 585 00:25:20,980 --> 00:25:17,750 people when they come to us for our 586 00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:20,990 $100,000 prize and we've had a few over 587 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:23,030 the years we have we have had a few of 588 00:25:29,380 --> 00:25:26,510 these and some notable disasters when it 589 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:29,390 comes to good faith on our side and lots 590 00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:31,610 of running around and then having other 591 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:33,710 people completely fall through on us not 592 00:25:37,180 --> 00:25:35,110 living up to the air into the bargain 593 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:37,190 what but what are some of the notable 594 00:25:41,650 --> 00:25:38,930 ones that you recall where people have 595 00:25:43,090 --> 00:25:41,660 actually come to be tested okay well the 596 00:25:46,030 --> 00:25:43,100 water divining was at the greatest 597 00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:46,040 number yes of people we held a we tested 598 00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:48,950 about 10 of them in nineteen eighteen 599 00:25:54,550 --> 00:25:52,400 eighty nine years and Dick Smith tested 600 00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,560 another dozen or so back in nineteen 601 00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,240 eighty which is how the skeptic started 602 00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,880 yeah and some other people tested them 603 00:26:02,170 --> 00:26:00,320 at MIT emitter I think that was I was 604 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:02,180 there here there that was almost ten 605 00:26:06,370 --> 00:26:04,850 years ago indeed you so you could say 606 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:06,380 you have the great divine which is 607 00:26:10,660 --> 00:26:08,570 actually in the break divided dividing 608 00:26:13,270 --> 00:26:10,670 range of Australia and you're absolutely 609 00:26:15,790 --> 00:26:13,280 right mmm so I guess I guess most people 610 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:15,800 when you look at it that way who fronted 611 00:26:20,190 --> 00:26:17,049 up have been watered 612 00:26:21,989 --> 00:26:20,200 the greater number is yeah so that's 613 00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:21,999 there have been other people the others 614 00:26:26,340 --> 00:26:23,980 have been psychics of various kinds able 615 00:26:28,830 --> 00:26:26,350 to match people to their profession 616 00:26:31,499 --> 00:26:28,840 using their birth date and time and 617 00:26:32,940 --> 00:26:31,509 place for astrology and some people 618 00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:32,950 claim to be able to influence the 619 00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:34,360 weather if we give them a list of the 620 00:26:37,649 --> 00:26:35,710 weather we want on certain days of the 621 00:26:39,330 --> 00:26:37,659 month they'll make it happen wouldn't 622 00:26:41,820 --> 00:26:39,340 that be handy haven't heard from them 623 00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:41,830 yet who did we influence today because 624 00:26:46,769 --> 00:26:44,980 it's a glorious day that's right and 625 00:26:49,470 --> 00:26:46,779 people who could tell the 626 00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:49,480 characteristics of other people by 627 00:26:53,820 --> 00:26:51,820 holding their belongings but for example 628 00:26:56,669 --> 00:26:53,830 psychometry psychometry a clearing or a 629 00:26:59,849 --> 00:26:56,679 piece of jewelry yes so we we did test 630 00:27:01,470 --> 00:26:59,859 someone for that and they didn't get 631 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:01,480 anything right hardly anything about 632 00:27:06,629 --> 00:27:03,450 what you'd expect through chance I'm 633 00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:06,639 trying in public forums at the moment to 634 00:27:12,570 --> 00:27:09,460 get people to come along and at least 635 00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:12,580 try for our prize you know because it's 636 00:27:15,869 --> 00:27:14,230 it's done with good faith and good 637 00:27:17,849 --> 00:27:15,879 intentions we're not out to make a fool 638 00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:17,859 of anybody or say me and look you're 639 00:27:21,989 --> 00:27:20,559 wrong you silly people we really if we 640 00:27:23,489 --> 00:27:21,999 give away the money we just give away 641 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:23,499 the money there's no two ways about it 642 00:27:27,930 --> 00:27:26,289 and then we have a ganar face or not or 643 00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:27,940 we don't know because it's never 644 00:27:34,499 --> 00:27:31,720 happened and I'm finding it almost 645 00:27:35,789 --> 00:27:34,509 impossible in fact it to date with the 646 00:27:39,299 --> 00:27:35,799 people i'm negotiating with at the 647 00:27:42,299 --> 00:27:39,309 moment it they are simply incapable of 648 00:27:44,489 --> 00:27:42,309 providing us with a what is their claim 649 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:44,499 be under what conditions can they 650 00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,289 perform their claim and see to what 651 00:27:53,419 --> 00:27:49,600 degree of accuracy or how watch their 652 00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,429 success and it's like the most basic 653 00:27:57,659 --> 00:27:55,600 fundamental information that they should 654 00:28:00,749 --> 00:27:57,669 know instantly if that's what they're 655 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:00,759 they're planning to do and getting that 656 00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,330 out of them is proving impossibie cuz 657 00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,159 they don't know what they're supposed to 658 00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:08,320 be claiming or they they're wasting our 659 00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,220 time I just don't understand it yes 660 00:28:15,810 --> 00:28:14,559 indeed that doesn't give you great 661 00:28:18,210 --> 00:28:15,820 confidence in their abilities when they 662 00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:18,220 can't even tell you what they are but 663 00:28:22,409 --> 00:28:19,960 they some of them still never left 664 00:28:23,970 --> 00:28:22,419 managed to make money I think they sit 665 00:28:27,239 --> 00:28:23,980 down at a street festival or something 666 00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:27,249 with it with the stand and say psychic 667 00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,840 readings ten dollars and they get a few 668 00:28:31,870 --> 00:28:30,320 people in yeah really 669 00:28:33,610 --> 00:28:31,880 knowing what they're saying or where it 670 00:28:35,769 --> 00:28:33,620 comes from well I suppose because 671 00:28:38,860 --> 00:28:35,779 they've never been asked before point 672 00:28:41,649 --> 00:28:38,870 blank and and to to tell tell us or tell 673 00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:41,659 anybody very just concisely what their 674 00:28:46,749 --> 00:28:44,480 claim is and I guess sometimes they just 675 00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:46,759 can't put it into words I really don't 676 00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:48,860 know but you think they could you think 677 00:28:55,060 --> 00:28:52,460 they could but we press on we do in G 678 00:28:56,649 --> 00:28:55,070 yes we had retired scientists we've had 679 00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:56,659 had a few retired scientists and 680 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:00,320 engineers some of them go a little weird 681 00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:02,330 in a rolled age it could say in that 682 00:29:05,889 --> 00:29:03,470 case the little knowledge is a dangerous 683 00:29:08,619 --> 00:29:05,899 thing because they can throw a few 684 00:29:12,779 --> 00:29:08,629 scientific terms into their weird 685 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:12,789 theories for example / fields p if I LDS 686 00:29:16,749 --> 00:29:14,990 we know about electric fields magnetic 687 00:29:21,580 --> 00:29:16,759 fields gravitational field you know 688 00:29:23,369 --> 00:29:21,590 about cornfields and but is a theory of 689 00:29:26,259 --> 00:29:23,379 / fields which one of our challenges 690 00:29:28,869 --> 00:29:26,269 apparently he's invented the right bird 691 00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:28,879 could even be no one else's herded to 692 00:29:32,619 --> 00:29:31,190 the fields but those you invent words he 693 00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:32,629 wants us to pay him the money because 694 00:29:38,139 --> 00:29:35,360 partly because he invented here in 695 00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:38,149 another chap invented / fields he's 696 00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:39,470 unable to tell us what they are 697 00:29:43,090 --> 00:29:41,990 unfortunately so it's bit hard to work 698 00:29:45,789 --> 00:29:43,100 out whether we should give him the money 699 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:45,799 that we battled on anyway yes and I 700 00:29:52,570 --> 00:29:49,850 guess it's up to him to what did you 701 00:29:55,509 --> 00:29:52,580 invent what yeah I guess it's up to him 702 00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:55,519 or anybody to tell us exactly the give 703 00:30:01,539 --> 00:29:57,590 us at least an idea of how we could go 704 00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,549 about testing them and I think I am 705 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:02,720 dealing with someone at the moment who 706 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:05,529 seems to be wasting our time saying that 707 00:30:11,019 --> 00:30:08,750 that they've challenged us the skeptics 708 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:11,029 as well Oh have you oh great okay well 709 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:13,370 let's let's do it and then nothing you 710 00:30:17,139 --> 00:30:15,049 know it just draws a blank and of course 711 00:30:19,899 --> 00:30:17,149 what will eventually happen is my guest 712 00:30:21,639 --> 00:30:19,909 is will say to this to this person look 713 00:30:23,769 --> 00:30:21,649 you're clearly wasting our time we've 714 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:23,779 given you x months you haven't provided 715 00:30:29,169 --> 00:30:26,450 some of the most basic information we we 716 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,179 can't go on what will happen next they 717 00:30:33,789 --> 00:30:31,840 will trumpet the skeptics backed out 718 00:30:37,629 --> 00:30:33,799 challenging this we get a lot of better 719 00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:37,639 hungry then there's another type is so 720 00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:41,149 confident of their abilities as the one 721 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:42,320 chap who 722 00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,330 said he wanted to apply for our 723 00:30:48,730 --> 00:30:46,399 challenge and he lived in another state 724 00:30:50,169 --> 00:30:48,740 and we went out the the travel costs 725 00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:50,179 he'd have to bear his own travel costs 726 00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:52,190 to come to a central point where he and 727 00:30:56,169 --> 00:30:54,710 this guy said I will don't worry the 728 00:30:57,370 --> 00:30:56,179 cost of the air fares is very small 729 00:31:00,639 --> 00:30:57,380 compared to the hundred thousand dollars 730 00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:00,649 i'm going to win isn't it so i think it 731 00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:02,230 was already borrowing money against that 732 00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,240 prize that expected to winter that's it 733 00:31:10,509 --> 00:31:07,039 perhaps a little more dangerous but i 734 00:31:12,669 --> 00:31:10,519 guess if their claim is real and who are 735 00:31:16,029 --> 00:31:12,679 we to say it's not because we can't 736 00:31:19,299 --> 00:31:16,039 until it's been fairly tested oh we can 737 00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:19,309 have a guess i suppose but yes if they 738 00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:20,990 win the 10 the hundred thousand dollars 739 00:31:25,690 --> 00:31:23,870 then an airfare is trivial that's right 740 00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:25,700 yes and who are we to refuse them I 741 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:27,110 nobody refused them on that on that 742 00:31:31,149 --> 00:31:28,730 basis indeed if they want to go for 743 00:31:33,220 --> 00:31:31,159 James Randy's 1,000,000 the airfare to 744 00:31:35,950 --> 00:31:33,230 the United States is trivial compared to 745 00:31:38,259 --> 00:31:35,960 that 1 million dollars now folks these 746 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:38,269 dogs are lovely I've had one in my lap 747 00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:40,129 now it's gone the blind dogs have gone 748 00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:41,750 back down the hill we've got two dogs 749 00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:43,700 chasing the ball one I don't know how 750 00:31:47,259 --> 00:31:45,470 you keep track of all these dogs in its 751 00:31:49,659 --> 00:31:47,269 room you must be psychic I think maybe 752 00:31:51,129 --> 00:31:49,669 the dogs are well six dogs is around 753 00:31:53,409 --> 00:31:51,139 number you see so they form a stable 754 00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:53,419 cloud like the electrons around an atom 755 00:31:58,180 --> 00:31:55,100 some numbers are more stable another 756 00:31:59,740 --> 00:31:58,190 just joking of course the dogs have all 757 00:32:01,779 --> 00:31:59,750 been here many times so they know the 758 00:32:04,330 --> 00:32:01,789 way and they know that I'm in charge of 759 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:04,340 them off they go again down down the 760 00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,490 hill oh now they've stopped suddenly 761 00:32:11,019 --> 00:32:09,440 well I must say we've had many 762 00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:11,029 frustrations especially when dealing 763 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:12,830 with people who think they have magical 764 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:14,570 powers yes the worst one was probably 765 00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:17,090 that test we did recently about sending 766 00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:18,980 messages around the world oh yeah fat 767 00:32:22,450 --> 00:32:20,360 from the water divining which we put a 768 00:32:24,730 --> 00:32:22,460 lot of effort into it was a more recent 769 00:32:27,159 --> 00:32:24,740 one we put a lot of effort into 770 00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:27,169 organizing a team in Australia and in 771 00:32:32,289 --> 00:32:30,169 Sydney and a team in New York to test 772 00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:32,299 the claim by a person that they could 773 00:32:39,149 --> 00:32:35,929 send messages around the world by me by 774 00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,159 means unknown to science allopathic 775 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:41,120 telepathic he said yes he wouldn't use 776 00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:43,850 the word and he was he was very certain 777 00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:47,000 he was going to win it and so he 778 00:32:50,409 --> 00:32:48,620 arranged the 22 teams around the world 779 00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:50,419 taking out of the time distance in 780 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:52,340 danger level and we're going to show him 781 00:32:58,100 --> 00:32:55,650 some sets of words 782 00:32:59,840 --> 00:32:58,110 which he had agreed that these were 783 00:33:01,820 --> 00:32:59,850 suitable woods and we would on the day 784 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:01,830 we would throw a dice and muck some of 785 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,850 the woods and he would send those 786 00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:05,760 particular words to his colleague in New 787 00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,320 York who would then record them on a 788 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:09,120 piece of paper and then when half hour 789 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:11,010 was up so his colleagues were in New 790 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:14,010 York yes so he was that he was the 791 00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:15,960 sender in Sydney yeah and he said his 792 00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:19,620 friend the receiver and her colleagues 793 00:33:23,150 --> 00:33:21,540 were in New York and would come to at 794 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:23,160 the appointed time and then he would 795 00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,530 send this material right by means 796 00:33:29,030 --> 00:33:27,600 unknown to science to them so 797 00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:29,040 unfortunately the team in New York 798 00:33:33,410 --> 00:33:30,660 waited and waited and waited and waited 799 00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:33,420 and waited team right our team wager his 800 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:37,260 Artemis skeptics and testers waited for 801 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:42,510 his psychic person and her lawyer team 802 00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:44,370 of two to turn up and I never turned up 803 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:47,220 yes i was there in Sydney with part of 804 00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:49,650 the team to document it and was very 805 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:52,140 disappointing I must say this was a 806 00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,510 surprise to me I feel a bit of a goose 807 00:33:58,460 --> 00:33:56,580 in a way that I were testing them at 808 00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:58,470 face value testing him at face value on 809 00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,080 what he claimed and I thought that maybe 810 00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:03,360 they wouldn't be able to send the 811 00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:07,200 messages to her to her but didn't really 812 00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:09,630 allow for the fact that we would suspect 813 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:12,780 she didn't even exist that's only in his 814 00:34:17,180 --> 00:34:15,570 mind and anna de lawyer there in the 815 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:17,190 lawyer perhaps both figments of his 816 00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:20,490 imagination we can't be sure but that's 817 00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:22,380 the best conclusion we can reach at this 818 00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:24,750 time I have to mention too we are under 819 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,370 Faison 820 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:36,780 a shadowcaster so you'll be there 821 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:39,970 tomorrow video indeed i'll be on that 822 00:34:44,610 --> 00:34:42,790 plane tomorrow yes if you give me a way 823 00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:44,620 if there's a flyover well you know what 824 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:46,780 the place has been to catch up with you 825 00:34:50,670 --> 00:34:48,310 have a chat about some of the fun times 826 00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:50,680 we've also I went on a couple of 827 00:34:54,830 --> 00:34:52,060 investigations with you and we're 828 00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:54,840 testing out various people who came dumb 829 00:34:59,970 --> 00:34:57,880 psychic powers to tell our future all 830 00:35:02,970 --> 00:34:59,980 our past or things about it we went to a 831 00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:02,980 palm reader you and I once and we also 832 00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:07,990 went to somebody who spoke to spirits I 833 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:10,960 think ghosts if you remember while ago 834 00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:13,330 okay yes we've got quite a few different 835 00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,400 ones there's it there's other things 836 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:17,440 that I investigate such as free energy 837 00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:19,330 machines because if these days of 838 00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,670 environmental climate change of the 839 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:24,160 world and if someone could produce 840 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:26,770 energy without creating co2 that would 841 00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:28,450 be a big advantage it comes to mind 842 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:30,310 bluetech yes you know it's almost ten 843 00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,890 years now they won the bench balut yes 844 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:34,720 so that's not acted they didn't actually 845 00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:36,570 apply for our hundred thousand dollars 846 00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:39,310 in the end but I did talk about it so 847 00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:40,840 it's not quite a challenge but it wasn't 848 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:43,270 serious investigation so Lou tech is 849 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:44,710 still there trying to get money out of 850 00:35:48,510 --> 00:35:46,990 investors so they haven't generated any 851 00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:48,520 free energy yet but they've generated 852 00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:52,270 free money unfortunately from investors 853 00:35:59,310 --> 00:35:55,270 so we at least hopefully with by 854 00:36:01,350 --> 00:35:59,320 publicising repeatedly their claims and 855 00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:01,360 showing that they apparently don't have 856 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:03,670 any basis hopefully we've cut down the 857 00:36:07,770 --> 00:36:05,410 number of people though because I think 858 00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:07,780 we're basically claiming to have 859 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:09,880 invented a machine that produces more 860 00:36:15,570 --> 00:36:13,090 energy than it consumes and as soon as 861 00:36:17,820 --> 00:36:15,580 anybody claims that they should be 862 00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:17,830 slapped with some sort of injunctions 863 00:36:24,690 --> 00:36:20,710 and who you haven't go away given one 864 00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:24,700 chance to support it just in a case yes 865 00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:25,900 I'm sometimes wonder whether there 866 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:27,310 should be a category called public 867 00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:30,490 pissed it's a people who perhaps haven't 868 00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:32,920 broken any law in such a clear-cut 869 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:35,710 fashion that they can be prosecuted but 870 00:36:39,870 --> 00:36:37,930 who are actually doing a lot of harm far 871 00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:39,880 more harm in the world than their actual 872 00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:43,150 worth and to call it a public pest might 873 00:36:47,609 --> 00:36:45,460 be might be one way but you'd have to be 874 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:47,619 careful how you did it I think it after 875 00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,450 maybe the skeptics bent spoon is a step 876 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:51,040 in that direction it is I look forward 877 00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:53,890 to the bent spoon again our convention 878 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:55,660 is on the 19th november in sydney i 879 00:36:58,829 --> 00:36:57,250 think it's booked out but we shall be 880 00:37:01,530 --> 00:36:58,839 awarding the bent spoon as we have done 881 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:01,540 every year and ian it's good to know 882 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:03,369 that you're part of that too that fun 883 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:05,770 have fun all these years of 884 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:07,690 investigating it certainly has been fun 885 00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:10,150 strange things Thank You Ian thanks 886 00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:13,390 Richard thank you doggies let's hear at 887 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:15,160 Dougie's let's hear it and if you bought 888 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:29,890 bacon bar and they wanted hi mrs. Carey 889 00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:32,770 papi i am ross Fletcher okay Russ hey 890 00:37:38,609 --> 00:37:35,830 we're from a podcast called oh no Ross 891 00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:38,619 and Carrie we find out what happens when 892 00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:40,390 you show up and ask questions we've hung 893 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:42,520 out with the Cabalists the Mormons we've 894 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:44,890 gone and gotten ear candle gone to the 895 00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:47,650 Sikhs we show up so you don't have to so 896 00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:49,270 find out where we're going next we'll 897 00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:51,160 even have special episodes where we have 898 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:53,800 famous guests like Brian Dalton from mr. 899 00:37:57,870 --> 00:37:55,570 deity you heard that awesome theme music 900 00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:57,880 he wrote that you should come visit us 901 00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:01,599 at Oh No podcast.com or facebook.com 902 00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:04,420 slash on rack what the hell's honor a 903 00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:08,560 cross Oh in RAC oh no Ross and Carrie 904 00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:11,080 that's our show that's a smart come join 905 00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:29,040 in night shyamalan is famous for using 906 00:38:33,820 --> 00:38:31,790 supernatural things in his movies we've 907 00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:33,830 seen dead people in the sixth sense and 908 00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,950 aliens in science so all this got me 909 00:38:41,770 --> 00:38:38,960 thinking is there any truth to his 910 00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:41,780 spooky films well I decided to gather a 911 00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:44,320 group of experts to help me find out 912 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:47,030 psychic medium Ruth Phillips can relate 913 00:38:52,270 --> 00:38:49,730 to the sixth sense in fact she sees goes 914 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:52,280 every day and she helped people cope 915 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:54,170 with a death of a loved one these are 916 00:38:59,110 --> 00:38:55,610 people who are in grief who have lost 917 00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,120 someone and being a child or a parent or 918 00:39:04,090 --> 00:39:01,520 a partner who come and have a session 919 00:39:05,950 --> 00:39:04,100 with me and we spend at the time passing 920 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:05,960 on messages and giving I give them proof 921 00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:08,450 of survival I give them evidence from 922 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:10,760 their loved one forms of confirmation 923 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:12,890 and messages and symbols of sign that 924 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:15,050 only their loved ones in certain know 925 00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:17,090 have you seen the sixth sense I was a 926 00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:18,560 bit confused at the beginning not 927 00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:21,440 because I didn't think that he was alive 928 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:23,150 I thought he was dead I knew he was dead 929 00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,530 the whole time and so I couldn't quite 930 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:26,000 work out what was going on a theme by 931 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:27,290 they're doing the theories that he's 932 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:30,050 already beat as we stand here in the 933 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:32,510 cemetery do you feel any spoons with all 934 00:39:35,710 --> 00:39:34,370 well yes we was surrounded and it's 935 00:39:37,540 --> 00:39:35,720 really nice because it's almost been 936 00:39:39,340 --> 00:39:37,550 like we've been given the nod today 937 00:39:41,860 --> 00:39:39,350 because I think I was telling you that 938 00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:41,870 when I walked into the cemetery I could 939 00:39:48,070 --> 00:39:44,600 see a beautiful lady in long Victorian 940 00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:48,080 gowns and she was rocking a baby been 941 00:39:52,450 --> 00:39:50,510 crying weeping over the baby in the 942 00:39:54,460 --> 00:39:52,460 distance and I was made me very safe for 943 00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:54,470 her but she's actually someone else very 944 00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,270 who lost her child and it but she was 945 00:39:59,920 --> 00:39:57,680 trying to wake this child up because the 946 00:40:02,290 --> 00:39:59,930 child was already had already passed so 947 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:02,300 you know these are sorts of things that 948 00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:03,890 you can see in the icy the shades 949 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:06,260 wandering here yes what do you think 950 00:40:11,290 --> 00:40:08,810 happens after we die we're all welcomed 951 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:11,300 by loved ones we're all met so we have 952 00:40:15,580 --> 00:40:13,850 this opportunity for a reunion and then 953 00:40:17,350 --> 00:40:15,590 in a period of grace that we're given 954 00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:17,360 between when we pass and when our 955 00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:19,670 funeral is we generally tend to have a 956 00:40:23,950 --> 00:40:21,260 time where we can go around 957 00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:23,960 and say our goodbyes to our loved ones 958 00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:25,700 and this would account for a lot of the 959 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:27,560 times when people's wake up in the 960 00:40:31,330 --> 00:40:28,850 middle of the night across the planet 961 00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:31,340 knowing that their great artists as past 962 00:40:37,330 --> 00:40:33,790 because she's appeared in their bedroom 963 00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:37,340 then we usually go to our own funeral 964 00:40:40,810 --> 00:40:38,840 because it's always good to see who 965 00:40:42,580 --> 00:40:40,820 turns up who's wearing a hat who's there 966 00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:42,590 you know how many people we've attracted 967 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:44,630 it's a big gig what do you say to people 968 00:40:49,390 --> 00:40:47,450 who absolutely categorically do not 969 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:49,400 believe in ghosts for those that believe 970 00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:51,290 no proof is necessary for those that 971 00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,020 don't know proof is enough in signs M 972 00:40:58,330 --> 00:40:56,240 night Shyamalan explored the phenomenon 973 00:41:01,150 --> 00:40:58,340 of crop circles and the existence of 974 00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,160 aliens both the subjects Doug Moffitt 975 00:41:05,230 --> 00:41:03,680 volunteers his time to research can you 976 00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:05,240 tell me a little bit about the UFO 977 00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:08,150 researching basically it's starting off 978 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:09,550 Pacific with people who want to 979 00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:11,740 understand more about the UFO phenomenon 980 00:41:18,370 --> 00:41:15,500 so it's a case of trying to create a 981 00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:18,380 forum for discussion on the issue 982 00:41:23,110 --> 00:41:20,750 without prejudice have you had any 983 00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:23,120 personal experiences with UFO sightings 984 00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:25,760 person I spoke to who was a flight 985 00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:28,640 engineer on a cuates flight back in the 986 00:41:35,380 --> 00:41:30,350 early 70s traveling from Europe to 987 00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,390 England and they were enroute when 988 00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:37,040 suddenly they noticed that there was an 989 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:39,380 object it's hard to describe without 990 00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:41,570 drawing it but it's an upturned funnel 991 00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:43,670 so you can imagine that the small lens 992 00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:45,560 like that one looks like this and it's 993 00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:47,600 traveling like that don't like the 994 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:49,190 skinny and first as you'd expect Aaron 995 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:51,530 ethically but like this we're traveling 996 00:41:57,460 --> 00:41:53,930 into the wind at about ten knots it was 997 00:41:59,800 --> 00:41:57,470 about five times the size of the 727 so 998 00:42:02,260 --> 00:41:59,810 won't you you know concerned that they 999 00:42:03,730 --> 00:42:02,270 got a crew but you know I don't know how 1000 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:03,740 many people you know 80 people whatever 1001 00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:05,650 it is you know that they're gonna panic 1002 00:42:11,650 --> 00:42:09,710 and he said no in fact the captain made 1003 00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:11,660 announcement lady German if you look to 1004 00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:12,920 the starboard side approximately 1005 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:14,660 forty-two thousand feet we have a UFO 1006 00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,730 traveling at approximately ten 1007 00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:19,040 kilometers in the win and if I'm just 1008 00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:20,460 got to pay the Sigma 1009 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:23,150 I looked at it and there was no fear 1010 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:25,770 absolutely no here in M night Shyamalan 1011 00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:28,890 movie signs crop circles are made by 1012 00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:30,780 aliens to let the Earthlings know that 1013 00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:31,980 they're coming what do you think about 1014 00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:34,280 crop circles there's no definitive 1015 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:38,670 correlation between et hypothesis being 1016 00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,650 visited and crop circles there's 1017 00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,480 certainly a lot of mysteries about the 1018 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:44,400 crop circle is that I can't explain 1019 00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:46,650 certainly eighty percent ninety percent 1020 00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:49,020 of them are man-made pranks and hoaxes 1021 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:50,640 and all that sort of thing but there is 1022 00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:52,290 a core of you know ten percent or so 1023 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:55,680 that can't be explained on investigation 1024 00:42:59,540 --> 00:42:57,690 would you sort of agree that there is a 1025 00:43:02,420 --> 00:42:59,550 possibility that it is our imagination 1026 00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:02,430 no mainly because people don't ask this 1027 00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,859 to happen to them most people like when 1028 00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:06,960 I said to people to report these things 1029 00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:09,900 there are people that are regular 1030 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:12,119 members and buy magazines and all that 1031 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:13,770 sort of thing they're people that have 1032 00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,810 had no contact with the whole thing at 1033 00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:18,240 all maybe for your documentary they made 1034 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:19,859 seen and yet they had these experiences 1035 00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:22,410 and then drift back in society doesn't 1036 00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:24,390 make sense that they're conjured this up 1037 00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,339 and they're not used it for any purpose 1038 00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:28,920 Richard Saunders however doesn't believe 1039 00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,920 in aliens crop circles or ghosts the 1040 00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:33,359 author works part-time for the 1041 00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:35,460 Australian skeptics who own to 1042 00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,619 investigate the paranormal from a 1043 00:43:41,420 --> 00:43:39,420 responsible scientific point of view 1044 00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:41,430 Australian skeptics was formed in about 1045 00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:43,710 nineteen eighty one by Dick Smith 1046 00:43:47,660 --> 00:43:45,420 amongst other people and it was really 1047 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:47,670 an attempt to properly investigate 1048 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:50,250 strange claims and what are you 1049 00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,010 skeptical about specifically I I don't 1050 00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,960 know if there are really aliens out 1051 00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:56,640 there I suspect there are thousands of 1052 00:44:00,440 --> 00:43:58,920 planets which have alien life but if 1053 00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:00,450 they're visiting earth or not is a 1054 00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:01,800 completely different question and I 1055 00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:03,180 don't think they're visiting the earth 1056 00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,369 what do you what do you say the crop 1057 00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,920 circle darling crop circles are made by 1058 00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:09,839 people that's the simplest in the best 1059 00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:12,260 answer I can give you it's not difficult 1060 00:44:16,220 --> 00:44:14,520 anyone can do it all you need is a plank 1061 00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:16,230 of wood and a bit of time have you done 1062 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:18,089 any research into this phenomena I've 1063 00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:19,290 done a lot of research into this 1064 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:21,630 phenomenal and it's it's fascinating 1065 00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,490 it's an art form lots of people love to 1066 00:44:27,859 --> 00:44:25,680 do it it's interesting to note that when 1067 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:27,869 our there's foot and mouth problems in 1068 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:29,609 the UK especially crop circles seem to 1069 00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:30,930 disappear because people can't go 1070 00:44:34,019 --> 00:44:31,900 running around the country 1071 00:44:35,819 --> 00:44:34,029 anymore or the aliens are polite one or 1072 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:35,829 the other I can't make up my mind okay 1073 00:44:39,299 --> 00:44:37,089 but you know some people believe that 1074 00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,309 they do have footage of UFOs have you 1075 00:44:44,010 --> 00:44:41,200 seen you at both oh yes yes I've seen 1076 00:44:47,460 --> 00:44:44,020 lots of footage that people say this is 1077 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:47,470 the UFO 99% of it can be relatively 1078 00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,049 easily explained and the one percent 1079 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:52,000 that can't be explained look it could be 1080 00:44:55,019 --> 00:44:53,410 anything if it can't be explained that 1081 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:55,029 we don't know what it was do you think 1082 00:44:58,559 --> 00:44:56,650 about the afterlife what happens when we 1083 00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,569 die as far as I know what happens when 1084 00:45:02,819 --> 00:45:00,640 we die our bodies decomposed or they for 1085 00:45:04,769 --> 00:45:02,829 the our bodies get burned and that's it 1086 00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:04,779 again I'm willing to be shown otherwise 1087 00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:07,420 if someone could interview a ghost for 1088 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:09,160 me and tell me about it that would be 1089 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:11,170 interesting M night Shyamalan has built 1090 00:45:15,269 --> 00:45:13,450 an amazing career on supernatural 1091 00:45:18,089 --> 00:45:15,279 phenomena but have you watched him 1092 00:45:20,269 --> 00:45:18,099 losing I Joey's movies immensely it's 1093 00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:20,279 like you don't have to believe in 1094 00:45:24,809 --> 00:45:23,020 wizards and warlocks to watch lord of 1095 00:45:27,210 --> 00:45:24,819 the rings you don't have to believe in 1096 00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,220 the force to enjoy Star Wars and when I 1097 00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,680 go into a movie like signs or the sixth 1098 00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:32,079 sense I simply put my disbelief on hold 1099 00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:02,270 you 1100 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:09,070 zone now before I run out the door for 1101 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:14,410 my Oh folks I tell you what clam chowder 1102 00:46:22,290 --> 00:46:18,610 in a sourdough bowl down along the piers 1103 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:22,300 in San Francisco mmm oh it's worth 1104 00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:24,130 flying across the Pacific for a lovely 1105 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:28,480 stuff so before I run out the door run 1106 00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,210 onto the Barton run downtown to get one 1107 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:33,280 of those I've got time to tell you about 1108 00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:39,490 York skeptics York skeptics dot org dot 1109 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:43,960 u K check them out if you're in the 1110 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:47,050 Yorkshire area I had the pleasure of 1111 00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:50,650 visiting Yorkshire oh I guess it was 20 1112 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:54,190 years ago beautiful place really found 1113 00:47:00,810 --> 00:46:57,370 it interesting I went to York to your 1114 00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,820 Vic the old Viking area in the Viking 1115 00:47:06,570 --> 00:47:03,520 settlement beautiful place so if you're 1116 00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,580 in the Yorkshire area check out as they 1117 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:10,000 say York skeptics at York skeptics org 1118 00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:13,570 dot uk' skeptics in the pub at the 1119 00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:17,350 Phoenix in with the talks and in fact i 1120 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:20,680 see by use of the Internet in their 1121 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:23,050 webpage on monday the fourteenth and 1122 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:26,290 november at seven-thirty p.m. ah they 1123 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:30,250 have a talk by christopher french a man 1124 00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,310 i've always wanted to meet and he's will 1125 00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:35,200 be talking about weird science and 1126 00:47:40,530 --> 00:47:36,990 introduction to a non ballistic 1127 00:47:42,690 --> 00:47:40,540 psychology you know if I was ever to get 1128 00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:42,700 a doctorate in something I think it 1129 00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:44,950 would be a non elastic psychology i 1130 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:47,920 think i've got a huge head start in that 1131 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:52,210 material hmm watch this space anyway 1132 00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:54,370 York people yorkshire people there's the 1133 00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,850 tip well over the next few weeks of the 1134 00:48:01,560 --> 00:47:59,440 skeptic zone you're going to be hearing 1135 00:48:07,410 --> 00:48:01,570 a lot more from skeptic camp in 1136 00:48:09,150 --> 00:48:07,420 melbourne combined with AA psych on the 1137 00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:09,160 committee i'm about to go to in new 1138 00:48:12,930 --> 00:48:12,070 orleans so it's going to be I wonder 1139 00:48:16,099 --> 00:48:12,940 what the collective 1140 00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:16,109 now nears a wealth of interviews a 1141 00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:22,630 treasure trove of reports no no it could 1142 00:48:31,710 --> 00:48:25,780 it be a galaxy of statin and I that one 1143 00:48:35,099 --> 00:48:31,720 I brew beer if you can think of a better 1144 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:35,109 one please Twitter it to at skeptic zone 1145 00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,450 and let me know what's what's the 1146 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:40,480 collective noun for a group of 1147 00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:42,250 interviews from all around the world 1148 00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:48,430 with top thinkers and whatever doesn't 1149 00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:50,500 matter no it doesn't matter as long as 1150 00:48:54,809 --> 00:48:52,329 you get to hear it that's what matters 1151 00:48:58,380 --> 00:48:54,819 and those people who are hearing the 1152 00:49:01,530 --> 00:48:58,390 skeptic zone and are chipping in 99 1153 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:01,540 cents a week thank you so much as you 1154 00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:04,930 probably know we have a drive a drive to 1155 00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:07,839 get enough money together to bring 1156 00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:13,569 Maynard to tab 10 in Las Vegas in July 1157 00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:19,270 next year las vegas and tam and may not 1158 00:49:26,490 --> 00:49:24,550 a match made in heaven I think anyway 1159 00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:26,500 that's the that's the goal folks and 1160 00:49:34,170 --> 00:49:29,500 that we're already on the way to that 1161 00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,180 goal so that's fantastic ok my coffees 1162 00:49:40,740 --> 00:49:37,599 nearly worn out so am i it's time to put 1163 00:49:43,380 --> 00:49:40,750 on my shoes and my socks and my walking 1164 00:49:45,390 --> 00:49:43,390 trousers head out the door and thank you 1165 00:49:48,089 --> 00:49:45,400 once again for listening to the skeptic 1166 00:49:50,130 --> 00:49:48,099 zone so until next week this is Richard 1167 00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:50,140 Saunders signing off from the San 1168 00:50:03,180 --> 00:49:58,170 you've been listening to the skeptic 1169 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:03,190 zone visit our website at www skeptics